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This is what would make the car worth buying. That, or the agonized screaming of a man, which rises in desperation as you accelerate. Or maybe just the bass-boosted Barney theme song.
This is what would make the car worth buying. That, or the agonized screaming of a man, which rises in desperation as you accelerate. Or maybe just the bass-boosted Barney theme song.
Or the Meg Ryan orgasm sound clip.
Not gonna buy this unless I can push a button to drop a fat cloud of black soot on the asshole tailgating me for no good reason. THAT is the real appeal of having a diesel
Not gonna buy this unless I can push a button to drop a fat cloud of black soot on the asshole tailgating me for no good reason. THAT is the real appeal of having a diesel
I wonder what law it is against; not engine emissions.
Or Janet Jackson Rhythm Nation?
Pity you can't hear it over the din of the fucking leaf blower.
(video shows typical American "solution" to a problem)
PS: Even little girls can blow them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Guy living near me has a Tesla. I think it's a Y. It makes a sound a bit like the Jetson's car, but it doesn't pulse.
It's actually really loud and annoying. Most EVs are fairly quiet, but for some reason the pedestrian warning sound on that thing carries really far. We hear every coming and going, much more so than fossil cars even.
What you want is something that is audible to pedestrians but not annoying or carrying too far. The Fiat 500e kind of sings and it works really well, so it doesn't have to be a s
Funny how my comment was market Troll.
Funny how my comment was market Troll.
I want mine to play the Night Rider theme tune whenever I go over 30mph.
The joy comes from machines that are inherently loud and powerful (not limited to cars), not just a fucking speaker embedded in the car.
The joy comes from machines that are inherently loud and powerful (not limited to cars), not just a fucking speaker embedded in the car.
I agree. My car has a nice exhaust note, but it still comes with a module to make stupid extra noises over the interior speakers. I just coded that out. If I want to hear the mechanical symphony better I will just crack open a window.
How sad can you be where you need artificial engine noises? Who would see this functionality and think "I need it"? The joy comes from machines that are inherently loud and powerful (not limited to cars), not just a fucking speaker embedded in the car. If your car is freakishly quiet, enjoy that you have a freakishly quiet car, that in itself has novelty.
How sad can you be where you need artificial engine noises? Who would see this functionality and think "I need it"? The joy comes from machines that are inherently loud and powerful (not limited to cars), not just a fucking speaker embedded in the car. If your car is freakishly quiet, enjoy that you have a freakishly quiet car, that in itself has novelty.
Dodge is trying (and failing) to not alienate their fan-base while following EV mandates. It's a no-win situation. The Hellcat forums are chock full of vitriol. The one thing they won't tolerate is change. Dodge can either abandon their fan-base and just make a random car, or they can try to appeal to nostalgia. That's why this concept looks the way it looks, and (sadly) sounds the way it sounds. At least in this case I can say that aside from the fake noise (which I hope can be shut off), the styling and capability of the concept are actually... kind of cool. And I've been in Hemi Chargers for the last decade and a half. A hatchback that looks like that? Wow. Faster than a Hellcat? Cool. A cockpit that isn't just a single Tesla iPad glued to the dash? Nice. But I'm in the minority.
Dodge is trying (and failing) to not alienate their fan-base while following EV mandates. It's a no-win situation. The Hellcat forums are chock full of vitriol. The one thing they won't tolerate is change. Dodge can either abandon their fan-base and just make a random car, or they can try to appeal to nostalgia.
Dodge is trying (and failing) to not alienate their fan-base while following EV mandates. It's a no-win situation. The Hellcat forums are chock full of vitriol. The one thing they won't tolerate is change. Dodge can either abandon their fan-base and just make a random car, or they can try to appeal to nostalgia.
Maybe they could capitalise on that and produce a car that makes the sound of lots of complaining Dodge fans? BYO complaining.
Dodge is trying (and failing) to not alienate their fan-base while following EV mandates. It's a no-win situation. The Hellcat forums are chock full of vitriol. The one thing they won't tolerate is change. Dodge can either abandon their fan-base and just make a random car, or they can try to appeal to nostalgia. Maybe they could capitalise on that and produce a car that makes the sound of lots of complaining Dodge fans? BYO complaining.
Dodge is trying (and failing) to not alienate their fan-base while following EV mandates. It's a no-win situation. The Hellcat forums are chock full of vitriol. The one thing they won't tolerate is change. Dodge can either abandon their fan-base and just make a random car, or they can try to appeal to nostalgia.
Dodge is trying (and failing) to not alienate their fan-base while following EV mandates. It's a no-win situation. The Hellcat forums are chock full of vitriol. The one thing they won't tolerate is change. Dodge can either abandon their fan-base and just make a random car, or they can try to appeal to nostalgia.
Maybe they could capitalise on that and produce a car that makes the sound of lots of complaining Dodge fans? BYO complaining.
This should be at +5 funny or informative. You win the internet this morning, good sir!
The first design requirement of the EV Hellcat should be to kick the ICE Hellcat's ass on the drag strip. That, they will respect.
Whereas fake noise is just embarrassing.
They don't care about that. The consumer Tesla model 3 absolutely smokes the Hellcat for example in a drag race, and I don't think they respect that. Apart from range, and being an annoying noisy wanker, EVs are technically superior in every way. The problem is Dodge design cars for dicks, so if they stop creating dickish cars, they won't sell.
They don't care about that. The consumer Tesla model 3 absolutely smokes the Hellcat for example in a drag race, and I don't think they respect that. Apart from range, and being an annoying noisy wanker, EVs are technically superior in every way. The problem is Dodge design cars for dicks, so if they stop creating dickish cars, they won't sell.
Oh... I don't know that last part is true. These may sell very well. But the dick brigade are going to complain about it the whole way.
"Whereas fake noise is just embarrassing."
You're not thinking like the sort of morons who think rolling coal is cool.
"Whereas fake noise is just embarrassing."
The noise is fake on the ICE engines too.
the styling and capability of the concept are actually... kind of cool. And I've been in Hemi Chargers for the last decade and a half. A hatchback that looks like that? Wow. Faster than a Hellcat? Cool. A cockpit that isn't just a single Tesla iPad glued to the dash? Nice. But I'm in the minority.
the styling and capability of the concept are actually... kind of cool. And I've been in Hemi Chargers for the last decade and a half. A hatchback that looks like that? Wow. Faster than a Hellcat? Cool. A cockpit that isn't just a single Tesla iPad glued to the dash? Nice.
But I'm in the minority.
No, I agree with you on that.
OTOH that's one of the worst keynotes I've ever seen (who is that idiot?) and the lack of imagination in the sound it makes is astounding.
It's a "hellcat", it should make the sound of a cougar snarling when you stab the pedal at low speed.
EVs in general should make sounds like fantasy space ships blasting into hyperspace. Who wouldn't want that?
The problem is people who act like 1am is sacred because those hours are sacred on THEIR schedule. I notice they don't give a single fuck about keeping the noise down for the sleeping hours of people on 2nds and 3rds.
It's not just EVs, fossil cars have been doing this for years. It started with pipes that fed some of the engine noise into the cabin, and which were tuned to make it sound deeper and more grinding than it really was.
Later they started just piping fake engine noises over the sound system, because it was cheaper and easier to tune. It also has the advantage of allowing the car to be quiet until the driver accelerates hard or goes into sport mode.
Some EVs make a nice sound when accelerating hard, like the Kia
It's not just EVs, fossil cars have been doing this for years. It started with pipes that fed some of the engine noise into the cabin, and which were tuned to make it sound deeper and more grinding than it really was. Later they started just piping fake engine noises over the sound system, because it was cheaper and easier to tune. It also has the advantage of allowing the car to be quiet until the driver accelerates hard or goes into sport mode. Some EVs make a nice sound when accelerating hard, like the Kia eNiro.
It's not just EVs, fossil cars have been doing this for years. It started with pipes that fed some of the engine noise into the cabin, and which were tuned to make it sound deeper and more grinding than it really was.
Later they started just piping fake engine noises over the sound system, because it was cheaper and easier to tune. It also has the advantage of allowing the car to be quiet until the driver accelerates hard or goes into sport mode.
Some EVs make a nice sound when accelerating hard, like the Kia eNiro.
Mustangs and Camaros are the ones I know about in legacy cars. In EV's I guess the noise is to alert pedestrians.
While I was getting my bike inspected, I took a test spin on a Zero FX. No enhanced noises there. They suggested starting out in "eco" mode. Which is a nice euphemism for trainer mode. Because if you try it out in full mode, the main sound would be the rider screaming as the thing moves. But after I knew what to expect when I grabbed a handful, it was exhilarating in full mode. Now if they'd g
Everything even remotely modern has fake noise. I thought everyone already knew that the modern engineering is too efficient to sound like old muscle cars. This is 'news' every 5 years or so.
The sound is only required below 40km/h - above that, aerodynamic sound ("wind noise") is enough. This is just for guys trying to compensate for something.
You hit the nail on the head. I don't want to hear the engine... and I don't want to inflict it on others. Who really cares if a car has a V8 or not, other than maybe a car show?
With an electric car, I want silence. Maybe a warning sound like Teslas have under 19 mph to warn pedestrians... but after 20+, I want dead silence.
Plus, there is something to be said about sleeper cars. Artificial engine noises are a blight, and the latest generation of drivers don't really care what an engine sounds like. The
I'm gobsmacked by the notion. If you need this in your life, simply having a stick that makes the noises is no less absurd.
It's probably a self-limiting anomaly.
This is like those fake landau bars on 70s luxury cars: Only needed until the people who think the feature somehow conveys old-school classiness die off.
It's probably a self-limiting anomaly. This is like those fake landau bars on 70s luxury cars: Only needed until the people who think the feature somehow conveys old-school classiness die off.
It's probably a self-limiting anomaly.
This is like those fake landau bars on 70s luxury cars: Only needed until the people who think the feature somehow conveys old-school classiness die off.
Or spoilers on the rear decks of front wheel drive cars.
It occurred to me many years ago that there should be devices like this to make "ricers" sound like real cars. I neglected to have my AI patent it, however.
How sad can you be where you need artificial engine noises?
How sad can you be where you need artificial engine noises?
I can somewhat understand the desire for artificial engine noises. I grew up driving a stick shift and no tachometer and, yes, I listened to the engine to determine when to shift (up or down). So having some sort of noise which represents the speed or efficiency of the car might be a better solution than some gauge that you look at (versus the road).
That said, there's no excuse for having the noise outside the cabin.
I listened to the engine to determine when to shift (up or down).
Except with an electric, there won't be any shifting. All that needs done is press the pedal. There is no reason whatsoever to have the same shitty sound come out of an electric vehicle as does an ICE to annoy everyone around.
How sad can you be where you need artificial engine noises?
How sad can you be where you need artificial engine noises?
That's funny. I feel the exact same way about actual engine noises.
How sad can you be where you need artificial engine noises? Who would see this functionality and think "I need it"? The joy comes from machines that are inherently loud and powerful (not limited to cars), not just a fucking speaker embedded in the car. If your car is freakishly quiet, enjoy that you have a freakishly quiet car, that in itself has novelty.
How sad can you be where you need artificial engine noises? Who would see this functionality and think "I need it"? The joy comes from machines that are inherently loud and powerful (not limited to cars), not just a fucking speaker embedded in the car. If your car is freakishly quiet, enjoy that you have a freakishly quiet car, that in itself has novelty.
And it's been around longer than people think. Both the Mustang and Camaro have faked up sound coming through the speaker system.
Agreed that if the car is quiet inside, let it be. And if it's so quiet outside, rather an engine noise, have it play this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] (I'm too sexy)
Pot calling the kettle black. How sad do you have to be to enjoy the annoying loud noise that is an unfortunate side effect of certain powerful machines.
I don't remember which adult cartoon (probably South Park), but one had an episode where they tried to change the definition of faggot to people that ride loud motorcycles.
The joy comes from USING the machines that powerful,not from the noise.
Actually most of the 'loud and powerful' cars on the market have been sporting fake noise for decades. The problem is that people want that noise psychologically but modern engineering produces parts which are powerful without being loud.
To make their car look even more traditional, Dodge's top models also have an automatic dispenser that drops horse manure on the road at customizable intervals...
Fortunately, Dodge's press releases appear to be an inexhaustible source of horse manure...
I had the experience of riding footplate on the carriage for a very competitive driver. My duty was leaning into the curves to prevent the carriage from tipping over, and it felt like we were pulling G's. So, it was a little bit like being Goose to Maverick.
I also got to wear one of those cool carriage-driving helmets, the kind you would see the late Prince Philip wearing -- he was active in carriage driving events and was reputed to be very good at it.
I had a reputation of being a good footman. I w
That’s well into the “instant hearing damage” range. Which overlaps nicely with the “instant lawsuit” range.
That’s well into the “instant hearing damage” range. Which overlaps nicely with the “instant lawsuit” range.
There's a good chance that either won't make it to market, or will be put into a "track mode" option you pick on the console. Existing SRT models have that for transmission modes, traction-control, and a few other performance adjustments. I expect if you're in "street mode" this would just get trimmed back to something less... moronic. I've got a Hellcat and we're at 100db peak. Still, that's when at full-throttle and five seconds of that gets you to most speed limits. It's also quieter than many Harle
There's a good chance that either won't make it to market, or will be put into a "track mode" option you pick on the console.
There's a good chance that either won't make it to market, or will be put into a "track mode" option you pick on the console.
Will they put in a GPS that only lets you push that button when you're actually at a track?
There's a good chance that either won't make it to market, or will be put into a "track mode" option you pick on the console. Will they put in a GPS that only lets you push that button when you're actually at a track?
There's a good chance that either won't make it to market, or will be put into a "track mode" option you pick on the console.
There's a good chance that either won't make it to market, or will be put into a "track mode" option you pick on the console.
Will they put in a GPS that only lets you push that button when you're actually at a track?
No. They don't do any kind of enforcement to keep you from putting (non-street-rated) drag radials on the car today. They don't prevent you from disabling traction-control and all the safety features that make a 707 horsepower car reasonable to drive either. Freedoms, yah?
If I were an automotive engineer who had decades, or even just years, of experience designing machines that reliably get from point a to point b several hundred miles away using readily available high density transportation fuel, and I were told by my phb that batteries which weigh and take up roughly 2-5 times what a gas tank does, take 10 times longer to recharge for about half the range at more than twice the cost were The Wave Of The Future...
I would totally spend my time and energy on fake engine noise
If I were an automotive engineer who had decades, or even just years, of experience designing machines that reliably get from point a to point b several hundred miles away [...]
If I were an automotive engineer who had decades, or even just years, of experience designing machines that reliably get from point a to point b several hundred miles away [...]
...I wouldn't be working for Dodge.
Wow, so many anti-EV arguments that would have been valid 10 years ago, but no longer are. Keep up with the times, grandpa.
...batteries which weigh and take up roughly 2-5 times what a gas tank does...
You're forgetting that an electric motor weighs 5 times less than a combustion engine. It's pretty much a wash nowadays.
Dodge Charger SRT Jailbreak weight: 4,586 lbs. Tesla Model S Long Range weight: 4,561 lbs
...take 10 times longer to recharge
First, nowhere near that long. Second, that only matters on long road trips. In daily driving, an EV requires no gas station visits - just plug in at home every night and wake up to a full tank every morning.
...for about half the range...
Dodge Charger SRT Jailbreak range: 222.0 mi. city, 388.5 mi. highway Tesla Model S Long Range range: 405 mi.
... at more than twice the cost...
Dodge Charger SRT Jailbreak price: $102,550 [moparinsiders.com] Tesla Model S Long Range price: $109,490 [tesla.com]
And don't forget the performance:
Dodge Charger SRT Jailbreak: 0-60 in 3.5s, quarter mile: 10.96s Tesla Model S Long Range: 0-60 in 3.1s, quarter mile [teslanorth.com]: 10.87s
"Dodge Charger SRT Jailbreak: 0-60 in 3.5s"
Theoretically. Good luck getting to power down on anything other than a prepared drag strip with slicks. Whereas the Tesla can do its 0 60 on a standard road and tyres.
Yeah...I can get a comparable sized sedan at 1/3 the cost where full tank to empty tank gets me more than 400 miles.
That six figure Tesla only gets like 300 miles unless you want to trash your battery real quick.
EV fanbois know how to run their mouths a lot better than they know how to run their eyes and their ears.
Wow, so many anti-EV arguments that would have been valid 10 years ago, but no longer are. Keep up with the times, grandpa.
Wow, so many anti-EV arguments that would have been valid 10 years ago, but no longer are. Keep up with the times, grandpa.
Be nice, Grandpa is still pissed they took the lead out of gasoline. Gives a nice secondary buzz when you huff it.
Anti-EV rant notwithstanding, fake engine noises are more common than you think - even in an ICE vehicle.
Many cars nowadays implement "audio augmentation" systems to the sound system - they will mix in a fake engine sound (usually pre-recorded) into the speaker system so as you press the gas pedal, it will play the fake engine sound.
Some simply have an audio tube running from the engine compartment to enhance the engine sounds coming into the cabin, others use a microphone, and others fake it. It's been a t
I'm far from an enlightened modern wokester, but fragile masculinity is a real thing. Double yikes.
I'm far from an enlightened modern wokester, but fragile masculinity is a real thing. Double yikes.
I think you are kidding here, but It's masculine inherent competitiveness. Ford vs chevy syndrome. Also an element of stasis.
And it isn't just automobiles. Stereo systems, Computers, Programming languages. If you are a cis male, you probably have the competition drive in there somewhere. Explain why you think it is fragility?
BMW, Ford, and others have ICE car models with this feature. Improvements in ICE drive trains have resulted in some models becoming so quiet that they use the entertainment system to make motor noises to give the driver that "satisfaction" they crave.
Many cars are sold not solely as transportation, but as prosthetics for the fragile egos of their buyers. The fantasy is real to them even when they get old enough to pay for it themselves.
Many cars are sold not solely as transportation
Many cars are sold not solely as transportation
Indeed, they are also often entertainment. Fast cars are fun.
>"BMW, Ford, and others have ICE car models with this feature. Improvements in ICE drive trains have resulted in some models becoming so quiet that they use the entertainment system to make motor noises to give the driver that "satisfaction" they crave. "
And, you know, if the driver's "need" for stupid "sound" to prove they have performance, and that is only inside the cabin, fine with me (as long as it is optional). What is not OK, is spewing that sound outside the vehicle. It should be illegal under
The difference is his activities probably don't involve going around blasting sound in other people's ears for no reason.
The difference is his activities probably don't involve going around blasting sound in other people's ears for no reason.
Other than it's a law.
I took one for a test drive and had to ask them to turn it off
What sort of sad individual needs fake noise added to their car.
Now, my EV does make noise when I squeal the wheels, which I do far too often. (On 4th set of tires)
You would think that someone would have come up with some cool sounding distinct "engine" noises for electric cars by now. It's weird that they're still trying to make them sound like a combustion engine when they obviously aren't.
Someone should call up Industrial Light and Magic and put them on this task. If they can make interesting sounds for spaceships for Star Wars (which you shouldn't be able to hear in a vacuum, but whatever), this should be comparatively easy.
You would think that someone would have come up with some cool sounding distinct "engine" noises for electric cars by now. It's weird that they're still trying to make them sound like a combustion engine when they obviously aren't. Someone should call up Industrial Light and Magic and put them on this task. If they can make interesting sounds for spaceships for Star Wars (which you shouldn't be able to hear in a vacuum, but whatever), this should be comparatively easy.
You would think that someone would have come up with some cool sounding distinct "engine" noises for electric cars by now. It's weird that they're still trying to make them sound like a combustion engine when they obviously aren't.
Someone should call up Industrial Light and Magic and put them on this task. If they can make interesting sounds for spaceships for Star Wars (which you shouldn't be able to hear in a vacuum, but whatever), this should be comparatively easy.
You could give them a high pitched whine like formula-e cars. That seems the most legit, but would probably get tired quickly.
Otherwise it’s too easy to not hear anything and accidentally step in front of one.
Aside from being blind, is it not possible to look where you're going? Or have we abandoned that as well in favor of looking at a 3 inch screen?
Otherwise it’s too easy to not hear anything and accidentally step in front of one. Aside from being blind, is it not possible to look where you're going? Or have we abandoned that as well in favor of looking at a 3 inch screen?
Otherwise it’s too easy to not hear anything and accidentally step in front of one.
Aside from being blind, is it not possible to look where you're going? Or have we abandoned that as well in favor of looking at a 3 inch screen?
Back when the fist smartphones came out, there were a couple occasions when I saved a young lady's life. There is a busy highway running at the edge of campus, and the young ladies were staring at their phones and walked into the street. One I grabbed right before she walked into traffic, and the other I pulled back right before she was going to be hit by a bus. And there were a few deaths when they just walked out.
They glared at me for second before realizing that My actions kept them ali
my EV does make noise when I squeal the wheels, which I do far too often.
my EV does make noise when I squeal the wheels, which I do far too often.
That's as fake as the fake noise. That can be tuned out completely and would actually make the car faster.
If I had a Prius, I'd want it to sound like this:
https://youtu.be/qJrt8HH-FuY [youtu.be]
I too would like electric cats. Maybe they would stop destroying my cables!
On the other hand, they might just start eating my computer parts...
Would this run afoul off local noise ordinances including limits on amplified sound?
I would love to see the morons who buy into this also 'buying' a nice ticket.
There is a certain kind of car or motorcycle buyer that absolutely demands the noise. And it's not new with electric vehicles. Think about Harley motorcycles. There is no technical reason they need to be so loud. There are other gas-powered motorcycles that are far quieter. But people who buy Harleys specifically want that signature thundering roar.
Dodge can't stroke their customer's machismo with names like "Fluffy" and "Gerbil".
I watched a few minutes of the the Formula-electric race: The cars have a glowing 'tailpipe', reminding one of television's Batman 1966.
I was in Oslo a few weeks ago and realized how quiet the city was - the sheer number of electric cars there actually really dampens the road noise. I am very much looking forward to a future where all of the engine noise is gone. No more engines idling at traffic lights, no more noise as motors rev so people can pull away from lights quickly..
And then we have these idiots at Dodge...
The blind are lobbying for electric cars to make some sort of noise, so they can hear them coming at crosswalks.
Your next electric car may be required to make a standardized noise, specified by a regulation backed by the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Most of them do, but they only need to make the noise while travelling under 25 kph or so; in other words, while pottering through parking lots, near crosswalks, and so on.
They also tend to make backing-up beeps.
There's no need for them to be emitting noise while cruising down the highway at 110 kph.
In "The Dilemma" (2011) we have fake sounds from a Dodge Charger V6 to make it sound like an S.R.T. V8...
YouTube Clip - V6 Sounds like V8 [youtu.be]
Pipe it (the fake engine noise) into the driver's seat and leave bystanders' ears alone.
Pipe it (the fake engine noise) into the driver's seat and leave bystanders' ears alone.
But that's missing the point of these cars (which is to call as much attention as possible to the micropenis inside).
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